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As we see it now, a reset would not be needed at all. We've barely had half a year to rebuild since the latest reset. In this time we have been very industrious, building a fair city that we'd like to keep, at least.
If people do get a large transfer to 1.8 we think that everybody would be satisfied, but if everything is reset after this short amount of time we are convinced that the moral of the majority of the server would drop quite sharply. We hope that the server agree with us on this so we aren't forced to watch all this hard work go right down the drain.
If you agree with us, please write and let the admins hear our opinions so that all our work hasn't been for nothing.
Sincerely: MIsantropen, SirBusk, O-Thunder and LotusGp
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Dear Mr Snow, dear staff members,
Some hours ago i was playing in smp, talking to some of you about the next reset. I had questions and you answered them well, i left thinking that a reset was both good and inevitable.
But then, some time after, i went to bed and couldnt sleep. One hour, and then 2, couldnt stop thinking about lost things and about time spend on the server to get them, thinking about many drawbacks of this reset not only for my things and time, but for all the server. At last, i thought i had to write them here, if only to finally get to sleep.
I think that Minecraft is a building game, but above all : much more than that. I mean, there are a lot of way to play it, and a lot of different things to do with it.
You can be a builder of course, but also a miner, a merchant, a farmer, an explorer, an so on...
But the reset change things way more than i first thought. On World of Minecraft SMP i wanna be :
- a miner ! But wait, i cant, because my precious ores will be deleted (for the main part that i cant keep).
- a merchant ! My money : gone. The content of my shop's chests : deleted.
- a farmer ! My harvest : deleted. My animals : deleted.
- an explorer ! My beautiful or amazing discoveries on the map : erased. Even my horse : deleted.
- a builder then ? Well there is three types of builders. The first one is the "solo-builder" or "one piece-builder", he makes just few builds, but amazing ones (like Tamriel for example). The second type is the "communal-builder" who makes "set-buildings" such as little things in non-claimed public areas, parts of some communal places where many peoples work together to make a giant built area (like spawn on smp for example). Finally, the third type of builder is the "landscape-user", making little builds in amazingly beautiful areas, like for examples : a little house on top of a giant mountain chain where sunset is falling just between two extreme hills, or a little house near the sea and a flower forest.
When you're a second-type builder, the reset blow up all your work since you cant move lots of little builds (and even if you could, they are btw useless without the ones of the other users).
When you're a third-type builder, the reset blow up you work since the entire landscapes around your builds are erased (plus : you cant move many builds).
So what do you have left ? Well you can be a first-type builder, and move your big build to the next map. Dont you see that this is the only kind of work (within all the ones i talk about) which is better to do in cmp ?
In conclusion : the only thing that's not a waste of time to do in smp (not deleted by the reset) is a waste of time because you could do it so faster in cmp.
Is that really what we want for the smp map to be ? A waste of time for its players ?
I really like this server, peoples are great, staff are cool, world and builds are amazing, lag is rare, and so on, but since i've been told about the reset thing i cant stop to think about these problems (which i could have avoided playing in a singleplayer map), cant even stop to think about Minecraft itself : what is playing it for if not to build (together) an entire world we could be proud of (an not only few lonely big builds placed randomly on the future dead map).
I hope i was clear enough for you to understand my concerns.
Maybe you cant do anything to avoid these problems and i'll understand that, but i think that if after the reset i see nothing but a big wild map with incoherent builds here and there i'll be too downcast to continue playing on it. Maybe you'll sometime see me but then only in the reliable cmp world.
In any case, thanks to the staff for this great server, and sorry to be so annoyingly demanding.
Vambok
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Vambok, you need to understand something about the rest:
We need to reset once 1.8 drops or we will be swimming in server issues for months. Version 1.8 also introduces new blocks which warrants us to regen a new map anyway...
The build moves are a case by case thing. While we provide a limit in size, we can work around the limits if the build has had a lot of work put into it. Take points build or the big market place built by a bunch of users as two examples. We would hate to see builds that have had a lot of work put into them go to Waste!
On the flip side, we don't allow people to transfer farms or massive cubes of resources just to get ahead in the economy.
You will find a lot of people don't mind the resets as sometimes a new map gets new people motived to strive for a new goal, or maybe improve something they tried on the last map or maybe a new map is jut refreshing enough to make SMP interesting again, etc.
If you just want to be creative, a place to have a world you are truly proud of... then perhaps NEXUS is a better place for you to be building. Minecraft is an ever evolving and we must account for that on SMP.
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Vam, I thought that maybe I could approach this from the perspective of another player. We had the same discussions before the last reset and here are some counterpoints to your concerns that I heard last time.
Farmer: Lots of them were happy for the reset since having their farms all set up made it kind of boring for them and were looking forward to the challenge of finding a new area to set up in and try and gather all their farm plants and livestock.
Miner: Mining for some people got rather boring once they had max enchanted armor and weapons. They were looking forward to all the new and untapped terrain the new map would have.
Merchant: There was a lot of competition last map to be the top earner but once some of the players had gotten a rediculous lead, the others became disheartened and nearly stopped playing. A fresh start means they can be competitive again and sparked renewed interest in the game. It also encouraged new players to try and earn as well. Its kinda like reseting the leaderboard on a MMO.
Mega Builders: First, people like myself, falon73, and nichbal build in SMP for 2 main reasons. First, no mobs in CMP so you cant incorporate ranching/animal activated machines. Second, its not a challenge. With no damage, unlimited and instant resources, and flying, its too easy. You don't have to worry about mistakes since they can be instantly corrected. Yes we build huge, but thats because huge is fun for us and is presents the challenge that is lacking in CMP.
Terrain builders: Yes, its frustrating loosing a build, but that kind of player generally enjoys the hunt for the perfect location as much, if not more than, setting up the build. So a reset to them means the loss of a build, but also access to new areas without having to run 10,000 blocks to get out to the next pristine location that people havent found yet.
For the people who make the colaborated builds, Snow has already said that those can be moved on case by case basis where people have put in a lot of work.
Explorers: These people find an awesome spot, show their friends, take a screenshot to remember and post. They cant revisit each one, there are too many great spots to find. Also, you can only set 2 homes so tping to each is impossible. So a reset for these people doesnt have much of an effect. As for their horse, those are very common now and since we will most likely get a vault again, the saddle and armor shouldnt be a concern either.
I know that there are going to be people happy with the reset and people upset about it. There is no way to make everyone happy. Staff is doing the best they can to mitigate loses while still making newbies and wayward veterans feel more enticed to play. Also, even if staff had to delete everything for the update, I would personally still want it since a new map is the only way to ensure server stability with the block ID changes that are coming. I wouldnt want them to just transition the old map just to have tons of bugs and instability that would most likely corrupt our builds and require a reset then anyway.
Hope this helps show the other side of the coin.
Pointystic
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@Vambok:
i really don't know, if i should be upset for an update or not.
But to see an outstanding builder like point, which undisputed made the biggest project on the actual server (Tamriel), arguing for an update made me think about it.
I'm a builder of all 3 kinds u specified, and i will lose some big builds and some marvelous places i found, again.
But so what? Things will be build again, places will be found. MC is not only a game, it's also a bit like Lego: You build a thing, then it's in the world, and then every day it becomes a bit more boring. So in Lego you destroy the old and build new. Again and again.
I think, i will be a little bit annoyed about an update and to build new (because atm none of my projects are nrly finished), but in summation i have to agree with pointystic.
And btw: are u aware about things we will be able to build with the new blocks like the slime-block f.e.?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkU22MOtxJQ
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Quick question, will the balances reset and how many items can you transfer?
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Money will be reset and roughly 1 chest full.
Same as last time
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Holy smokes I actually got the website to let me on!
Will we get a week's notice or two before the server resets so we can get our things in order? :)
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We'll give plenty of headsup!
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Awesome, thanks! Looking forward to it! :D
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Oh
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You could reset it, or, if you guys aren't ready for the blocks, and for updating essentials: Use a Bungeecord plugin. There's one that allows you to connect to 1.7.9 and 1.8 . All it requires is the servers to be at the lowest version (aka 1.7.9).
The only problem is, you won't get the new blocks for awhile.
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@pointystic :
Farmers building again and again their farms because theyre bored if not, is (for me) a nonsense.
Miner: the map is soo large, you can always easily find an area full of ores and set a home there.
Merchant: MC is not a competition game, it's cooperative, so i dont see why newbies couldnt sell thing even when old players are selling too. The best thing to do when you're new is although to sell your things to an old merchant, to kind of "restock" him for money.
Mega builder: well, ok, i agree with your point here, that's why i'm not playing much in cmp.
Terrain builder: you say that peoples have to walk 10000 blocks to find a wild space, but it's not actually the case, there is many place belonging to nobody from 200 blocks away from the spawn.
But in any case (all your points about all kind of players), each time the point is : some peoples get bored and like to start once again from nothing. But i dont understand that. In MC you build things (or you do something else) and then you improve it, you add things, you build more things, you enlarge your builds or upgrade them. But what's the point to do anything if you just throw it away to make something else after ?
@Levian : with Lego i'm building things and improve them, i destroy something i made only if it isnt like i though i was at first, or if i made it wrong. But to destroy something just for no reason is just wasting the time you spend to make it.
For me playing MC is not for nothing, and builds or things already done are not boring on the contrary, but i can see from your posts that some peoples are thinking like this, so i cant complain, and i accept that.
Vambok
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@Vambok
I think the staff alleviate some of the pain of leaving builds behind by letting you bring one with you. Plus you can keep a huge whack of materials via your transfer chest (or as I prefer, your suitcase).
They have to balance people's attachment to their builds against keeping updated: new players aren't going to join an older server, they're going to go for one with the most recent block updates. I remember when I joined last map, I was a little frustrated with how I couldn't build around spawn, and yet there didn't appear to be anyone there.
Plus... new block updates! Trampoline slime blocks and flying machines! Oh and granite *waves dismissively at granite*. AND TRAMPOLINE SLIME BLOCKS!
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No matter how much arguing, or how many good points are made, the map reset is going to go through.
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@Vambok - I have made myself quite clear to you Vambok. In server and on this thread.
@Cartose - We have been using bungeecord for a very long time, thanks for your suggestion though!
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@BCwisher, you forgot about 2 of my favorite additions: craftable mossy and carved stone :)
im hoping they add the minecart speed increase back in.
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I dont understand why Yenwood is talking about "arguing" and neither why, MrSnow, you tell me that you "made yourself quite clear".
I'm not arguing at all, i'm just talking, it's an interesting discussion, and i did understand since quite a long time now that there will be a reset and how much it's important and inevitable.
I'm not questionning your opinion about it, i already said i was understanding your choice in each of my messages here, so i dont see where you see an argument.
I'm not even complaining, as you can see through my past posts.
So "Peace and redstone" 
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@pointystic
Ermagherd! New craftable lovelies!!!
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Resets are great. you get to start freash and dont have to live with your same old boring amazing mansion everyday. yes there is some downsides like certain builds but some (depending on how much work was put into it or size) can be moved. also 200 blocks away from spawn is way too close to spawn for some people. they like to be away from civilization and make something like a crazy market place or town where you can get a warp to
all in all. STOP FRICKIN COMPLAINING!!!!
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@kman :
1) If reset are great (even when not needed for update), why not make a reset each month ? You surely see that it's not the way the game works, you dont start again from nothing just for the fun, you are building things long-term. Here a reset is needed, but you cant just say "resets are great". (and you also forget about the loss of your stuff, money and claim blocks).
2) "same old boring" ? Well, for the "boring" thing you can talk for you, but not everyone is bored about his builds.
3) I was not telling "every one have to make builds 200b from the spawn", i was telling that peoples could do it, so yes some people like to make thing away from civilization, but they can already do that, i dont see what it have to do with the reset.
4) For the last time : >I am not complaining !< so stop to provoke me with that, you're just depreciating my opinion like if it was just a stupid complain. I'm talking seriously about the downsides of the reset for those who are interested in this topic (no one is forced to read this tread), but i'm not asking not to reset neither for a preferential treatment.
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Uh, I didn't really read any of those comments because it was a lot of words. So I apologize if I ask something already asked. But Takous and I are making a Hunger Games arena for the server, unless you don't want it, then we'll post it on a minecraft forums thing and advertise the server on it. Anyways, we were wondering if we could have the CMP map so we can finish it.
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@Gorrakkhowk I'm not sure about giving the entire map, since it would give you a lot of builds that aren't yours, that we don't really have the right to give away. HOWEVER, we will be offering build moves from CMP to a NEXUS map if the build fits on it. We will also be able to give your build as a saved schematic. I would recommend not making it any bigger right now, since I'm not entirely sure if your build will fit on a Nexus map as it is right now. If it doesn't fit on a nexus map, we'll figure out another way for you to continue it somewhere.
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To add to what Jupiter said...
CMP is NOT getting reset, only SMP. CMP will eventually get shutdown when NEXUS exists beta(Which could be a little while yet)
If you still want your build as a schematic we can work something out for you (:
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once a month would be ridiculous 6 months is fair. and honestly the economy system is nice but once someone gets ahead in the system and has like $1,000,000 and brags about it, it's nice that everyone is reset just so they can shutup about it. inventory reset is no big deal here because we can still transfer a chest full of useful items, yea sure you may not be able to transfer everything you want but you can sure transfer whats needed. heck before the reset the best thing to do is go blow a crap load of money on diamonds then shove them in the transfer chest just to sell them later :P
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Thanks guys! You're the best!
WoM Coins: 1714
By the way, the last map lasted for about 6 months. The last reset was in early December if I recall correctly, which is roughly 6 months ago.