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Okay, so for a long time I've been absent from World of Minecraft. A mix of vanilla being stale after so many years of playing and a mix of being busy doing other things. So after much consideration I decided I'd post this idea for a World of Minecraft FTB Server. Read the whole thing first, because I do bring up some valid points that you may not agree with and if you are going to argue, read my points first.
Now the most important reason why I feel a second server is a good idea is of boredom. Yes, I know you get bored because everytime I'm on the server all I hear is 'I'm bored, who wants to do something?'. Granted, this happens all the time anyway, more variety in gameplay is a strong point for FTB.
I know alot of people have left World of Minecraft for whatever reason, but mostly why I left is because I was over doing the same thing over and over again. FTB makes that alot harder to do. With so many mods, it just feels like a new game and already has a versatile community that might even be able to add to our own community here at World of Minecraft. A new, friendly face is always a good sign..
Take a look at alot of the larger or even just more active minecraft communities. Unless they are a fully-focused server like Middle earth, lord of the craft or something like that they tend to have a second server. I know World of Minecraft has experimented with this, but a server with a whole new experience for minecraft is unheard of for our community. This opens so many doors to new players, returning veterans and so many more.
I know alot of you will disagree with me. But think about the future of minecraft. Some people think that minecraft will be fun for a long time, but what is the real end to any game? Mods. Skyrim has them, fallout has them. Every game that people contunially play has atleast one good mod, and minecraft has many. Soon with the approaching API it will have alot more, perhaps more complex and interesting mods to come. FTB is a step in the right direction for longetivity and even though you think vanilla minecraft will last forever, take a look at older games. All original games will lose their steam..
Thank you for your time, please consider my idea seriously.
Ranger.
(Also, I'm not sure where this should go in the forums because there are so many good candidates, so I apologise if this goes in the wrong place.)
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also with FTB there are differet mod pack for it so you would have to say FTB Mindcrack or FTB default and you would have to change the packs on enabing and disabing plugins. FTB is just a lot
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I also think this would be a cool idea, it would get me a lot more interested in minecraft again, I played the mod pack a lot on single player, but that just isn't as fun as SMP.
For those who are wondering, FTB is "Feed The Beast", it is a mod pack similar to tekkit which includes a lot of the really big minecraft mods, such as: Buildcraft, Forestry, Industrialcraft, Thaumcraft and many more. It also includes Rei's minimap :D
It is a great thing to play for when you get bored in the middle of a really large build and you run out of ideas.
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The thing is, you talk about the fact that you think this will get more people to play on World of Minecraft, and World of Minecraft veterans/quitees will return. This is true, but not entirely. Look at it this way, people like mods, yes, but they don't like installing them. If you over-mod a server, people have to go through great deals of trouble to install the mods. And when the server updates with Minecraft, they have to do it all again, not to mention... they have to wait for the mod to update, aswell as the multiplayer version of the mod... Which takes time. Also, the owners of the server have to install it again... etc...
So perhaps in the future if we develop some sort of system that makes things allot easier in terms of accessability to the server and ease in installing the mods... But at the moment, I don't see it happening.
Good idea though!
*edit*
Learned that FTB automataially updates, nevermind!
On the other hand, yes, great idea.
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FTB comes with its own client, so everything is installed for you, and it all updates for you too.
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well i say if World of Minecraft is going to do it (if snow chooses to), then only trust worthy people who have been on the SMP/PVP server for a while, should get whitelisted and access to the server
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ssfdre, I hope that statement doesnt explicitly refer to you and mods.
On this topic, FTB is a great modpack. I've played a bit with ranger and loved its variety, complexity and flexibility. If you were playing FTB by yourself or with a bunch of friends, I highly recommend it.
However, based on sole personal opinion, I do not recommend it to a big community such as World of Minecraft, because FTB in itself is quite large, and as such can be quite taxing to some. Being part of World of Minecraft is being part of a diverse, open-ended community, and it would be a shame if some users cannot play with FTB simply because their system or internet connection could not handle it.
In addition, FTB's complexity makes it hard to grasp the basics of the modpack, as such it can be troublesome to newer users who have not played with other packs similar to FTB, such as Techinc. I'm sure the mods would not enjoy having to explain everything to newer players and seeing the forums filled with "What does this do?", "How do I make this?" or "Where do I get this?". And, relating to my previous statement, would restrict the server to users familiar with either modpacks, which is really not what World of Minecraft is.
All in all, I think an FTB server would be a good idea, but prehaps not for a large, open community like World of Minecraft.
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im not talking about just myself and the mods, im saying people who have not broken any rules or have not griefed at all and has been on for a good amount of time
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And, relating to my previous statement, would restrict the server to users familiar with either modpacks, which is really not what World of Minecraft is.
I beg to differ here sky, as you remember correctly old World of Minecraft, you could only get whitelisted on smp if you were a certain rank or premium member. So this would kind of be the same thing. It's restricting access based on predetermined statuses...
I think this would be an awesome idea, and we need to stop worrying so much about the nubs who can't seem to learn. They can learn or not, it's really not hard to do with that new technology they invented called Google. As far as the nubs asking questions non stop, it's really not hard to deal with as all we need to do is add in a command like we had to do for /help, and /spam, and /ads so on and so forth. Someone has a question? Have a command that links them to the wiki or something.
I know at times I fight boredowm, and I only have ever really played minecraft for the building aspect, so this would be a nice touch and different side to think about.
I do know though, that right now there is a lot on the servers plate, once these things are ironed out, then I wouldn't foresee an issue with something like this, but that's just me and my lil opinion...
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@ssfdre when you said, have been here for a while how long do you mean?
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that would be up to snow if he does it not me but at lease more then a month in my eye
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I beg to differ here sky, as you remember correctly old World of Minecraft, you could only get whitelisted on smp if you were a certain rank or premium member. So this would kind of be the same thing. It's restricting access based on predetermined statuses...
There is a big difference between a restriction based on ranking, and a restriction based upon a system that cannot handle the program that is used. While the ranking restriction is imposed to prevent griefers and other people who would be a detriment to the community, the system restriction is, inversely, preventing the community as a WHOLE from entering if they do not have the required system necessary to run it, which is NOT what World of Minecraft, as an open-ended community is.
As many older players would know, the ranking restriction based upon the link between World of Minecraft: Realms and World of Minecraft: SMP was set at the 3rd lowest rank, Surveyor, which could easily be achieved in less than 5 hours, depending on the person's diligence and commitment to work. This is to ensure that when the person gains access to the SMP server, they would prove to not be a detriment to the community. This is not a symbol of predetermined status, but rather a symbol to show that they have proven themselves to be trustworthy enough to be allowed to enter. All they needed to do was simply obtain Surveyor, have a Premium MC account and then they could just connect straight away.
However, the limitation imposed upon by the FTB pack, is not a restriction based on ranking, but rather a restriction affecting all members of the community, which is something that World of Minecraft, as far as I know from being here, does not want. Ever. Staff do not want players to need to have a "better system" JUST to play with a modpack on. That is unfair to the entire community, moreso than requiring a player to obtain a rank to prove their trustworthiness.
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Skyara, worrying about whether or not someone's system can handle it, and basing a decision off of that would be the equivalent of World of Minecraft not doing smp period as a lot of users in classic can handle classic, but not smp. If they don't have a system that can handle it, then much like smp, you just can't handle it and play on it...so take the alternative to it.
As far as what I said earlier, I was referencing you saying this:
And, relating to my previous statement, would restrict the server to users familiar with either modpacks, which is really not what World of Minecraft is.
and looking at that makes one think you were refering to this:
In addition, FTB's complexity makes it hard to grasp the basics of the modpack, as such it can be troublesome to newer users who have not played with other packs similar to FTB, such as Techinc. I'm sure the mods would not enjoy having to explain everything to newer players and seeing the forums filled with "What does this do?", "How do I make this?" or "Where do I get this?".
So it seems YOUR argument is invalid here...
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As you can see by the large amount of traffic on SMP, you can see that many people are able to join easily, mainly because vanilla Minecraft has very low system requirements, enough so that people that buy a decent computer nowadays from any retailer are able to run it. Now factor in FTB's requirements. FTB, with its content reaching to almost forty times the amount of Minecraft's original content, this would mean that it requires a much, much higher need for a better system. I'm pretty sure most of the community don't want to go out and spend hundreds JUST for a better computer to play a simple modpack on Minecraft.
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Look at it this way, people like mods, yes, but they don't like installing them.
-Sk1lz
If its simple as getting Magic Launcher, and downloaded the mod and adding it to the list with Magic Launcher, I can deal with that. Thats really easy and simple to do. Using Optifine as a mod in the past was a breeze..
Anything beyond that though me personally i dont wan't to do.
As far as being to run it, i have a Radeon HD 2600 PRO PCI-E Graphics card, and 3GB of RAM on a 32 bit Vista system. Hope that's enough if we ever did this "FTP" . . I don't plan on upgrading my PC yet.., im only going to upgrade it vastly if theres a slight chance of a PC Version of GTA V, other than that i don't plan on upgrading my PC
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Skyara, this was dealt with in irc, and you're still not bringing anything new to this idea or concept so let it go. You still haven't convinced anyone that's a valid launching point...
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And you are bringing valid reasons to set up a taxing server such as this? I think not.
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I did in irc actually. My stance as clear as I can make it unlike you, is let the community decide, not some written novel, arrogant opinion from ONE member on it. I know you think your opinion is golden, but remember like you said in your comment, this is a COMMUNITY.
Not too mention you don't speak for snow, h4x, moujave, or triddin like you think you do. It starts with them being willing to do it, then the community would need to support it. And I've looked up the specs mate, it isn't THAT taxing like you're trying to make it out to be. Sure a bit more taxing than vanilla, but not to an extreme like you are making it out to be.
If you are going to state an opinion on these things at least do it on facts. I post the recommended specs below:
This is the bottom minimum:
| Recommended Slots: | 10 |
| RAM: | 1GB (Dedicated) |
| Connection: | 100Mbps Unmetered |
This is the higher end:
| Recommended Slots: | 52 |
| RAM: | 4GB (Dedicated) |
| Connection: | 100Mbps Unmetered |
And if I remember right, our current server is more than this, so let's move on to a valid point shall we?
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And if I remember right, our current server is more than this, so let's move on to a valid point shall we?
I believe it can handle up to 80 players at once. That's pretty powerful I believe
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Yeah and the RAM is over that I believe...
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ram is 16GB i believe from when i was talking to H4X a while ago but it can be more
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Sorry guys, I thought my post died. Just got an email saying that people were still talking.
Okay, so i'm glad that there was a discussion about this, but sky you might be getting a bit cut about this. For instance, the whole system requirements thing. Minecraft really only takes 1 gig of ram and a pretty cheap computer overall to run. If you add 1 more gig, and MAYBE have to get a new graphics card you can run FTB fairly smoothly with graphics toned down with optifine a bit. Add another gig, and you open up a lot of options regarding performance issues.
Now I understand the whole restriction thing. Restriction was good before but World of Minecraft is an open community now. I never, NEVER suggsted that World of Minecraft: SMP and PVP should become restricted, just that this server would be slightly restricted so randoms don't come on and grief, steal and mess up the place. The reason why is because I personally have been on about 50 public FTB servers, probably more, and they are just worthless to play on. They don't understand server specs for their player population, most of the players are idiots who do nothing but try and steal from everyone (and perhaps that has a place on some servers) and the OPs are nothing but power hungry fools.
WoM has a HUGE advantage over these servers in that the admins are great at handling any issue that may arise, server specs are just another day (getting them in the first place might be an issue though, ofcourse) and the current dedicated player base is really friendly and (mostly) rule-abiding.
Finally, having FTB is just a suggestion as the title says. Now I don't donate or anything like that, so I'm not expecting a mircale or anything because its not my place to decide how the moneys spent. But, if enough people can decided on it and want it, then perhaps thats the time it should be implemented or atleast starting to plan for it.
-ranger10700
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From what I can tell, now is not the time at all to think about it :)
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I was playing tekkit for a while, it was really fun. even funner when you have alot of people. What makes FTB better and different from tekkit?
I like the idea of a new modded server though. Although I have not tried them, I think the Aether/ Zepplin mods would be a good addition too.
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Please no.
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ok
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Yes, but will they be disclosed?
WoM Coins: 3343
Should explain what FTB means in the first place, because i'm too laxy.
I would love that personally. Vanilla does get boring after a while, and it would be great to have a World of Minecraft server with lots of mods to make the gameplay different. It would also give snow/staff a chance to play with other interesting mods and plugins that would ruin the survival feel of the smp server.
The main problem you're probably going to run into is cost. Servers cost money. We don't exactly pay to use World of Minecraft. So hard to justify paying for another server, especially when the smp is busier then it has been in a long time.